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Live from the Conference for Research on Choreographic Interfaces at Brown University, Sarah, Harvey, and Pannill talk about Simone Browne's book Dark Matters, John Fletcher's article on deepfake videos, and the Netflix interactive film Bandersnatch. The co-hosts are joined in the fourth chair by conference participants including:

Elise Morrison, of Yale University

Nick Porcino of Facebook Reality Labs

Kamal Sinclair, Director of the Sundance Institute's New Frontier Labs Program

David Allen of Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute

Heidi Boisvert, Director of Emergent Media Technology at CUNY

Lori Landay, of Berklee College of Music

Here are links to some of the things we talk about in this episode:

• Simone Browne’s book Dark Matters: On the Surveillance of Blackness

• John Fletcher’s article on Deepfakes in the recent Theatre Journal

• Bandersnatch

• Tommy DeFrantz on an episode of Love It or List It